Minutes March 7, 2003 part 3
Board Meeting
Finance Committee Meeting
March 7, 2003
1:15 p.m. to 2:00 p.m.
8700 Tesoro Drive #700
San Antonio, Texas 78217
Notice was duly posted and a meeting of the Finance Committee of the Austin-San Antonio Intermunicipal Commuter Rail District Board was held on March 7, 2003. The meeting was called to order at approximately 1:16 p.m. by Tullos Wells.
I. Participants:
In attendance were:
- Tommy Adkisson
- Gus Garcia
- Fred Harless
- Carroll Schubert
- Tullos Wells
Mariano Camarillo and Jeff Wentworth were unable to attend; however, Joe Morris attended on behalf of Mr. Wentworth.
II. Items of Business:
A. Obstacles of Various Financing -
Tullos Wells thanked Mario Medina, Texas Department of Transportation, for his presentation and asked him to join the finance meeting. Mr. Wells then confirmed that each member would be provided with a copy of Mr. Medina’s presentation.
Mr. Wells advised that Mariano Camarillo asked that the Committee think about what information that would be necessary to obtain prior to the next meeting in order to lay out options and start making selections.
Fred Harless asked if there was some way for the managers to contract with the Corridor Council. Mr. Wells advised that he was not sure that the Corridor Council would be a willing partner, as he believed they were “burning their resources.” Mr. Wells inquired about what things the Committee should look at:
Ross Milloy advised that the Corridor Council would be happy to continue doing what they have been doing, but advised that there is a fundamental base that the Committee needs to form (i.e., a Director of some kind). Mr. Milloy further advised that he does not believe that it will be effective or workable to have a project management company reporting directly to the Board without some kind of oversight. He also stated that there is a need for outside legal counsel because of the complexity of the federal laws, state laws, and cross-jurisdictional agreements. Mr. Milloy expressed his concern about having the agreements prepared internally within a project management contract because there is also no oversight present.
Mr. Milloy further suggested, as regards to the minimum operating staff, that he and his group perform this role for a while. He advised that the group might want to get someone who has a vast experience in this area, as he views himself as more of a supporter and promoter. He advised that this person would need to be not only knowledgeable but also experienced. Mr. Milloy said the person would need to know federal programs, as well as the federal process.
Mr. Milloy suggested rough costs of staffing for this project to range from $300,000 to $350,000, if Texas Department of Transportation does most of the legal work, as well as depending on how fast the group wants to go. Mr. Milloy advised that the big issue he sees is what will be done in Washington, as there is probably not a better time to go after a big portion of money within the next 8 months while TEA-21 is being redone, SH130 is in play, and while the project has already been identified as a high priority trade corridor. He added that if the group can get some legislative help in Washington, it would really make a big difference.
Mr. Wells agreed with Mr. Milloy – the Committee needs some way to bring some cash to the operation because there is a need for a base level of support. Mr. Wells also noted that Mr. Milloy and his group were doing a great job. Mr. Wells added that all of the members were pitching in some degree of resources, but there would be no substitute for having someone who wakes up every day with a mission to take the project to the finish line.
Mayor Garcia said he believes there are 6 or 7 entities the group may obtain funding: there is each one of the two counties, the 2 major cities, the 2 transit agencies and the private sector. Mayor Garcia advised that the private sector is a long shot, but he thought that the other 6 resources were viable. Mr. Harless advised that he was willing to put an item on the Austin agenda, as well as talk to Travis County to get some portion of the funding in place.
The discussion continued regarding various sources of funding.
The members also discussed adding a representative from VIA to the Finance Committee. The group discussed the idea of VIA being a possible resource for funds. Mr. Wells advised that he has talked with Shelton Padgett about this very notion and believes that VIA will be approached at every angle by many organizations for any dollars they may have.
The group discussed the aspects of approaching the entities as suggested by Mayor Garcia. Mr. Wells advised that there might be a way to accomplish this:
- The funds may just come south of the match of TEA-21 money which would give the group a portion there;
- It is a diminus sum to the entities, by and large, if, as the Mayor suggests, everyone gives a little;
- Commissioner Adkisson advised that his sense is these entities need to “prime the pump” to “get it going”; he said he also believes that “well begun is halfway done” and that advertising should be done sooner rather than later. Commissioner Adkisson also suggested that the group should begin finding out “who the who” is out there and how other systems operate.
A discussion ensued regarding obtaining information on other commuter rail systems.
It was confirmed that if the committee were to select the toll option, it would mean that the Board would not be asking single entities for matching funds. Mayor Garcia suggested that the Committee put a financing package together.
Mr. Wells suggested that if the Committee could get funds from the single entities and measure it over a 3 or 4-year period with $400,000 a year from each of the 6 entities, it would almost take the project to the required match.
Mr. Medina advised that the Board would be using money for operations and day-to-day activities. Mr. Medina also reiterated that when utilizing the toll credits option, there is not a local match.
A brief discussion ensued regarding the use of the toll credits option. Mr. Harless advised that he believes the group should pursue the toll credits option. Mr. Schubert confirmed that doing this from an operations standpoint is not the same as a match and would not be money that could be used. Mr. Schubert also advised that at some point the Board may have to go to the entities, but also may not.
Mr. Milloy noted that the local money can be used for federal legislative efforts but the federal money cannot be. Mr. Milloy advised that the Committee would have to make a decision. He added that it would be easy to let TXDOT do it, but his fear is that TXDOT will not move quickly enough. He reiterated that the Committee must come up with a number in the next 6 months in order to say, “this is what we need to do our deal.”
Commissioner Adkisson advised that he forsees a relationship with TXDOT, but not necessarily a managerial position. Mr. Medina advised that TXDOT would be happy to help, but will leave the decision to the members. Mr. Medina also pointed out that in order to get over the federal hurdles, the group would not be able to hire a consultant any time soon.
Mr. Wells agreed with Mr. Milloy as regards to there being a lot to do locally, as well as in Washington. He advised that it was important that the group move quickly to provide some infrastructure.
Mr. Harless confirmed the entities suggested by Mayor Garcia - VIA, Capital Metro, City of Austin, City of San Antonio, Travis County, Bexar County, and Private Sector; Mr. Harless suggested the group talk to Williamson County, but Williamson County would need to be in the district first. Mayor Garcia discussed the person he recommends contacting to get Williamson County involved – Mike Heiligenstein, Clean Air Force Commission Chairman. Mayor Garcia stated that Mr. Heiligenstein is very committed to the issue of clean air and believes he would be the guy to contact. Mayor Garcia also suggested contacting the new, powerful state representative from his region. He also suggested that Mr. Wells schedule a visit to Austin so that some of the members can join him and visit Representative Krusee to discuss their position.
Mr. Milloy inquired regarding whether the Committee wanted his staff to come up with some kind of reasonable apportionment of the numbers and/or figure out some formula for what the inside contribution would be more or less. Mr. Wells advised that it would be helpful to have a proposed budget and options to suggest to each entity. Commissioner Adkisson added that prior to the entities being approached, the Committee should exhaust all avenues to show that those entities are the last recourse. He added that if there were any other options available, they should, at least, be given a passing reference.
Mr. Wells also suggested that the Committee be crafting a formal request for toll credits option, as well as get on the agenda for TXDOT. The group agreed to proceed with toll credits option. Mr. Milloy confirmed with the Committee that the “staff” has authority to proceed with obtaining the checklist of items required.
Mr. Milloy then advised as regards to the funds from the MPO, TXDOT has taken the position that the only funds available to the STIP funds and there are not much in that area. Mayor Garcia advised that he was not looking to TXDOT for funding as much as he was for operational means.
Mr. Medina was asked what options the committee was missing. Mr. Medina responded that he did not believe there were any other options within the TXDOT. Mr. Medina said he had checked with FWA regarding what the Board could go ahead and fund and was advised that the Board could go ahead and hire a general engineering firm if they would like.
Mr. Medina advised that if the group wants to proceed with toll credits at this time, he would get with Mr. Milloy to find out what hurdles will need to be jumped in order to proceed. He further advised the Committee that TXDOT’s March committee meeting deadline would be missed, but should be able to make the next meeting to be held at the end of April.
Mr. Wells advised that he would like to be prepared so that by the next Board meeting a presentation is prepared and can be approved by the Board. He also suggested that as the Committee was utilizing the toll credits path, a budget and a plan of how to approach each entity should also be prepared.
B. Other Items:
Bill Bingham advised that federal grants are reimbursement grants and inquired about the usual time between an expenditure and reimbursement. Mr. Median stated that his understanding was a turn-around time period of approximately 30 days. Mr. Bingham discussed the idea of interim funding, stating that the Committee may want to select a bank in Austin and San Antonio in order to obtain a better rate.
A brief discussion regarding interim financing ensued.
Mayor Garcia stated that he was happy the project was proceeding and he believed the Committee would come up with some good ideas. Mr. Milloy noted the importance that selling this particular project as a congestion reliever is really not as appropriate as an economic development engine because that is really what it is. Mr. Milloy added that he believes there may be a number of ways to obtain funding in addition to the traditional means (i.e., subsidize service in return for area development).
III. Meeting Adjourned:
No further business was brought before the Committee. Mr. Wells adjourned the Finance Committee at approximately 1:45 p.m.
